Episode 106: Helping underdogs find winning career opportunities — with Jonathan Javier

Jonathan Javier is the CEO and Founder of Wonsulting, a career consulting company whose mission is to turn underdogs into winners: helping those who come from non-target schools and non-traditional backgrounds get their dream careers at top companies. By leveraging his experience in Strategy & Operations at Google, Snap, & Cisco, and his successful LinkedIn networking strategies, he has provided advice on LinkedIn and through more than 75 speaking engagements in 4 different countries.

On this episode, you will hear Jonathan talk about:

• How he used his LinkedIn network to get job interviews at top companies after graduating from college — and how he made powerful impressions during the interviews to get hired
• How important it is for job seekers to actually ask for help from fellow professionals and recruiters
• How Wonsulting helps students and professionals get into their dream companies

To get in contact with Jonathan, you can find him on LinkedIn. You can also find out more about Wonsulting at www.wonsulting.com, on Instagram @wonsulting, on LinkedIn or by emailing hello@wonsulting.com.

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A full episode transcript is available below.

Carolyn: Today on Beyond 6 Seconds.

Jonathan: A professional would not get on the phone with a student or another professional and spend 30 minutes out of their day, and they only have 8 hours in a day to do their work, they wouldn’t do that for someone they didn’t wanna help. And so that’s why when I tell people if they get on the phone with someone it means they wanna help them.

Carolyn: Welcome to Beyond 6 Seconds. The podcast that goes beyond the six-second first impression to share the extraordinary stories and achievements of everyday people. I’m your host, Carolyn Kiel.

Carolyn: On today’s episode I’m speaking with Jonathan Javier. Jonathan is the CEO and founder of Wonsulting, a career consulting company whose mission is to turn underdogs into winners, helping those who come from non-target schools and nontraditional backgrounds get their dream careers. So far, he has helped tens of thousands land opportunities in top companies. He’s also worked in strategy and operations at Google, Snap and Cisco. He has also provided advice and words of wisdom on LinkedIn and through more than 75 speaking engagements in four different countries. Jonathan, welcome to the podcast.

Jonathan: Thank you so much for having me Carolyn and I’m super excited to talk today to you in regards to helping turn underdogs into winners!

Carolyn: Wonderful. I’m so excited to learn more about your story and I would love to really start with that because you really have an amazing journey that you took from being in college trying to figure out your own path and a lot of really amazing things that you learned and tried along the way in order to get the career and the career experiences that you wanted to get. So, would love if you could start, you know, maybe from your college days and you know, how did you start out and how did you start building your career path there?

Jonathan: Yeah, of course. So, when I was in college, it wasn’t that too long ago. It was about three years ago.

Carolyn: Mm-hmm.

Jonathan: And I remember when I was graduating from UC Riverside class of 2017, I didn’t know exactly what I wanted to do in my career and I remember my school was teaching me like, hey, go to apply to hundreds of jobs and then wait. But then I realized that there are so many simpler process that you can utilize in order to get into your career coming from that non-target school like UC Riverside. So what I was doing was a lot of networking on LinkedIn. People literally call me like you’re the LinkedIn guy. Right? And the funny thing is I have utilized LinkedIn to get in each of my companies at Snapchat, Google, Cisco. I actually never applied to any of them basically. So, how I did that was I used LinkedIn Message so I was messaging recruiters and hiring managers through the platform to get into Snapchat. I then created LinkedIn content to specifically get into Google. And then I created a personal brand around myself where I keyword optimize my profile to fit a position at Cisco and that’s how I got into there and then all these accumulated to basically the introduction of Wonsulting which our mission is to turn underdogs into winners basically helping those who come from these non-target schools, nontraditional backgrounds and help them get into their dream careers. So as you mentioned before, we have helped tens of thousands of students and professionals get into those careers and hopefully we can continue doing that especially during these times.

Carolyn: That’s amazing and all of that in just about three years as you were saying. It’s a relatively short amount of time. That’s great!

Jonathan: Exactly.

Carolyn: How did you get the idea to even try using LinkedIn because I feel like LinkedIn may not be on a lot of college students’ radars, I mean I think that’s changing, but I think still LinkedIn is not something that a lot of people are aware of and the real power of it.

Jonathan: Yeah. So how I got utilizing LinkedIn was it is because I realized that my school didn’t have the companies that I was interested in. So, when I was graduating I wanted to work in the big tech companies. But then I realized that I couldn’t simply go to my career center and say, hey, I need a connection at Google. I need a connection at LinkedIn. So I had to think of different strategies in order to get into my career and I realized it was through LinkedIn. I was chatting with all these people and they are like, yeah, you know, I talked to people who are alumni of my school, alumni of specific organizations, and I realized that there are so many strategies on LinkedIn where you can find the exact professionals who have graduated from the university or a part of the same organizations you are part of and you can network with in order to get into your career. And so that’s when I told myself, okay, I’m gonna use LinkedIn because I have nothing to lose but I have everything to gain. And that’s why, like Carolyn, I literally sent hundreds of messages a week to people because I just knew like there’s nothing for me to lose at this point. If someone doesn’t respond to me, they don’t respond. But at the end of the day if one person responds to you out of the hundred people and that becomes a career opportunity, then that is what is worth it and that’s exactly what happened to me. Someone took a chance on me at Snapchat, I was able to get into my career just from a simple LinkedIn message and that’s why I advocate it so much because instead of me searching for 40 hours a week, it only took me about three hours a week instead. And that’s why I teach a lot of these students and professionals that the job process shouldn’t be as complex as it seems. It should be simple yet effective and that’s why I have been able to teach so many people in regards to how to do that.

Carolyn: So in addition to sending those hundreds of messages, I imagine that that was really the start of trying to grow your network and build those relationships. So from there, was it that some of those professionals reached back out to you, maybe you had conversations with them, or what happened after people responded to those initial messages?

Jonathan: Yeah. So, it’s kinda funny. So I would have probably a phone chat every single day. I would even have multiple. And I realized that I had so many, yet I wasn’t getting anywhere. I was like, wow, I’m having a phone chat with this person and I’m getting advice but I’m not getting into the company. And I was confused. I was like how am I gonna get into the company? But you know what I realized, I realized months down the road, the reason why I wasn’t able to get into the companies I initially wanted to get into was because I never asked for help. I would just be like, hey, I wanna have a conversation with you to get to know you for you, which is great and that’s what you should do. But a professional, a recruiter will not know if you need help unless you tell them. So that’s why I stress to people, if you need help in your career, simply ask a professional or ask a recruiter for that help. Don’t be scared because no one is gonna be like, hey, Jonathan I can’t help you. Instead especially during these times, they will be like, sure I can help you. If I can’t help you, I know someone else that can. And so that’s when I changed my mind saying that’s how I basically gone to my career because I asked for help. And if you ask you shall receive, as they say, and that’s what basically happened to me.

Carolyn: That’s amazing. When you were making your ask for help, did you have a specific way that you phrased it? What did you learn about the best ways to put in that ask and get people to be able to respond to you?

Jonathan: Yeah. So, when you are asking for help or for example what I usually do is like to ask for the referral, you simply have to ask. People think it’s super complex and you have to like wait three times for you to get a referral, but in reality if you think about it, a professional would not get on the phone with a student or another professional and spend 30 minutes out of their day, and they only have 8 hours in a day to do their work, they wouldn’t do that for someone they didn’t wanna help. And so that’s why when I tell people if they get on the phone with someone it means they wanna help them. And so what you can do is you chat with the person on the phone for 25 minutes, right?

Carolyn: Mm-hmm.

Jonathan: Talk about their career, what I say is be their biggest fan like just be like, wow, I see you’ve done X, Y, Z. I see you’ve come from my university. I’ve seen that you transitioned from tech to startup. If you are able to do this, you are able to establish rapport with these individuals and then you are able to make and create a relationship. And then at the end that’s when you ask. You simply say something like, yeah, you know, thanks again for chatting with me. I really appreciate it. You know, I saw this position on your website for a web designer at Snapchat. I’m really interested in the position. I really want to be able to receive an interview. How do I get the interview? What’s the answer to that question? The answer to that question is you get referred, so you indirectly ask for the referral and if the person had a great conversation with you, they’ll just be like, yeah, Jonathan I’ll give you a referral, here you go. And that’s how I basically was able to get those referrals from these companies.

Carolyn: Wow. So is that how you got the referral into Snapchat because that was your first position at a top company when you were coming right out of college, is that right?

Jonathan: That’s correct, yes. So, for Snapchat it was a very interesting story. So, I actually sent a message to a recruiter who was recruiting for Snapchat. At first she didn’t respond but then the second time I sent her a message, I attached my resume and I told her why I was qualified and then that’s when she spoke to me and I basically cut off the sourcer from the process and went straight to the hiring manager. That’s why I tell people if you can find the hiring manager for specific roles on LinkedIn, you’ve literally cut the process in half. That’s what I basically did with Snapchat and then the most amazing story, I’ll make it quick, I got the final interview. I basically went in before the interview like I said before I had nothing to lose but everything to gain. What I did was I went to Dollar Tree, I bought a yellow folder because Snapchat is yellow, put my resumes in there, my cover letter and I printed out my business project from the class that utilizes same technology that Snapchat used. I printed the whole thing and put it in the yellow folder. Went to the interview, got a case study which I wasn’t expecting. Did amazing on the case study and they asked after they were like, “How did you do so well in the case study?” I literally pulled out my yellow folder, I put it on the desk and I said take a look at my project. I’ve done your whole entire app utilizing geolocation in my past class from UC Riverside. They looked at each other and smiled and one hour later I received the offer and that was probably the fastest offer they have ever given according to their recruiter. And so the reason why I share this story is because for those listening in especially students or even professionals remember that the projects you are doing, don’t just do them to do them, think about them in long term because later down on the road imagine you utilizing that as a value prop for you getting into a company that you’ve only dreamed of.

Carolyn: That’s really powerful. The networking is really the important piece of it of course and the way of having those direct conversations and getting referrals but also, you know, you need to be prepared yourself so you need to have the, you know, it’s hard when you are coming at a school to say you need the skills and the experiences but you at least need to have the focus and the interest so that at least you know what your dream companies are and you’re targeting your work and everything that you are doing towards them so that the more you learn about them, the more you can prove ahead of time that you would be a fit there.

Jonathan: Definitely. And you have to prepare. And how you prepare is simply by doing these informational interviews. The reason how I did it was basically before my interview at Snapchat what I did was I identified what the position was that I was interviewing for, which was the operations analyst role. What I did was I reached out to all operations analysts from Snapchat that worked at Snapchat, I tried to have informational interviews with them and I learned about what they did on their day-to-day. I took that information and when I reached out to the recruiter, I knew exactly what the operations analyst did already, because I already network with the person before. So if you are able to do that especially for those listening, because a lot of people will go straight to the recruiter, and then the recruiter will ask them questions, and the person will be like, oh, I don’t know. Right? But imagine you already know what the recruiter is looking for because you’ve already talked to someone in the role. You have literally put yourself in a position where you are qualified and prime candidate because of that reason.

Carolyn: And even before you talk to the hiring manager because you are gonna have the same types of conversations probably even more in depth with the hiring manager who knows much more about what they actually want for the role that they are hiring for so if you can talk to other people who have similar roles or who work with that open role even before talking to the hiring manager, that could be really helpful too.

Jonathan: Right. Exactly. So that’s how you do it.

Carolyn: Fantastic. So, how many dream companies did you have on your list because that’s a lot of, you know, focus and effort that you put into each one because you really wanna personalize and prove that you could fit in all of those.

Jonathan: Yeah. So my dream companies were Google or LinkedIn, right?

Carolyn: Mm-hmm.

Jonathan: It’s pretty interesting because I realize that now dream companies in my perception when I was a student were companies I based it off the brand name. I realized I just wanted to work there for the name, not for the company, and that’s why I actually started Wonsulting because I was like, wow, like I mean I made into this companies, but were they actually my dream companies? No. They actually weren’t, because I realized that my dream is to help underdogs turn into winners. It was to help people get into these companies. I mean I loved working at them, don’t get me wrong, but if I’m able to help other people get there too as well coming from non-target and nontraditional backgrounds then my work is done. And that to me is making not only my dreams as reality but making that other person’s. So that’s why I had multiple dreams but I realized a true dream was Wonsulting and nowadays it’s been coming to reality of a community of individuals that really believe in our mission and that’s what I have always hoped and strived for. And it’s just kind of a blessing. It’s just really just based off timing too as well, you know, I was watching a Ted Talk last week and it was talking about how new startups succeed, and the number one factor was timing. And I realized timing for Wonsulting right now has been really effective. It’s been able to help so many people during these times of uncertainty and that’s what I hope that we can continue doing for months and years to come.

Carolyn: Absolutely. And the career that you built for yourself, you had the opportunity to work for three top tier dream companies, but really Wonsulting was your end goal, I don’t know if it was all along, but certainly over a long term, so you really were very thoughtful about how to get the experience and the skills that you needed in order to create Wonsulting, and so everything feeds into that.

Jonathan: Yeah. And you know, I actually just worked at those dream companies not to stay there long term, I wanted to work at each of those companies and learn more about how they were successful. This is what I actually believe about entrepreneurship is that, why reinvent the wheel when you can learn from these big corporate companies that are making millions and billions of dollars. So that’s what I did. Snapchat, Google, Cisco, I learned the operations side, I learned the advertisement side, I learned the community side and I basically implemented them all into Wonsulting. And then too as well the credential aspect of it because when I teach people these strategies I tell them like, yeah, I got into Snapchat, Google, Cisco and you can too. So, that’s why I basically was moving from these different companies in order to get into my career but the long term goal at the end of it was of course Wonsulting.

Carolyn: Yeah. And now is that where you are focusing your time full time or do you also still work at another company as well?

Jonathan: Yeah. So I have been transitioning actually out of Cisco, actually I have one month left and I’ll be transitioning and doing Wonsulting full time starting in May. It’s been honestly a dream of mine of course that’s gonna turn into reality so I have been really pushing forward and been able to have a group of community and a team that has also been super supportive so I’m excited. People always ask me are you nervous but, no, I’m not nervous at all because this is my dream turning into reality and if that dream can turn into reality, the nerves go away. The excitement comes from chatting with all these students and professionals and be on podcasts like this to share stories and share these stories that will inspire and power other individuals to be like, wow, I wanna do the same. So, yeah, I’m super excited for it to say the least.

Carolyn: That’s great. And you’ve been preparing for this all along so it’s not just a whim or an idea, it’s really you’ve been very focused on making this dream a reality by getting the exact experiences that you need in order to be able to help people. So I think it’s really amazing and just so exciting and especially at a time right now I mean we are recording at the end of April 2020 and the world is very challenged now and especially trying to imagine students that are graduating from college or even looking for internships or people who are just trying to start their careers are facing such a challenging environment right now with the uncertainty in the world and it sounds like Wonsulting’s services would be of very high and special need especially now even more than ever.

Jonathan: Mm-hmm, definitely, yeah, and like I said before we are here to help so if anybody is listening in definitely let us know if you need help.

Carolyn: So, yeah, let’s talk a little bit more about what you do with Wonsulting. So you know, we’ve talked a little bit about it already that you help people get into their dream companies. Like how do you find the clients or how do you find the students or the clients that you work with and how do you help them match up what they have in their head as their dream companies and the experiences they bring and kinda help them either channel or formulate that into a strategy for job hunting and networking?

Jonathan: Great question. So, you know what the funny thing is we actually do no reach outs like mostly we don’t do any reach outs for our clients, it’s all inbound basically. So, yeah, a lot of people just reach out to us and they are like, “Hey, I wanna work with you guys. Hey, I’ve heard about Wonsulting through LinkedIn. Hey, I’ve heard about Wonsulting through a friend. Hey, I’ve heard about Wonsulting because your LinkedIn content keeps popping up on my feed.” It’s not a bad thing. But basically, yeah, so when I work with clients, I basically teach them the strategies that I’ve utilized in order to get into my own career and I also partnered with my COO Jerry Lee as well who helps me with this too, but yeah, we basically teach a lot of these students, professionals, super simple techniques in order to get into their careers. So for example like we build out like LinkedIn strategies, we have a master class actually tonight and we are doing our first one tonight which is gonna be really awesome. Yeah, I mean there are so many different great services that we offer and at the end of it, we have a lot of success stories that come out of it which is basically the point because if we don’t have any people who are successful from it then it’s not job affluent to me. I’m never a person who is just transactional like I don’t want it to be like, okay, like you’re gonna pay me X amount and that’s it, buh-bye, right? I want your investment to be not only an investment into me but an investment into your future and so that’s why actually I’ve grown my professional network significantly so what happens is the reason why I have such a big supportive network is because the strategies that I teach people, the one that I reached out to people I stayed in touch with them, I followed up with them over 100 of them, they are the same supporters who have supported me since day 1 and they have truly believed in Wonsulting. They are the ones who have been on the speaker series which we just had last week, on Friday we had about 13,000 people attend. It’s just all about maintaining those relationships and then passing the baton off to another person that is what will help them get into their careers.

Carolyn: Yeah. And so do you help your clients prepare for interviews or help prepare them to send those LinkedIn messages and figure out who to network with like what kind of services do you usually offer?

Jonathan: Yeah. So, we have a lot of different services or I’ll just say some of our favorite ones that people like to do are LinkedIn strategies so we basically tailor a LinkedIn strategy deck in regards to how to reach out to people, how to get your dream career, etc. Another one is job opportunities so we have a vast network of people that we work with whether it’s hiring managers or recruiters and we refer those people to these recruiters and hiring managers at the respective companies they are interested in. We also have interview prep like you said which is like 30 minutes to an hour just depends on what they need and then also too as well we have another popular one is our speaker series. So our speaker series, I’ve really been privileged to speak in over 80 speaking engagements in the past year and half now so far which has been incredible just to speak in different places like I spoken in Jordan, in Vancouver, I will be speaking for Nigeria on May 8 which is gonna be really cool, it’s gonna be virtual but still an amazing experience, right?

Carolyn: Yeah.

Jonathan: Yeah. It’s just awesome. I love that part, the speaking engagement part because you are able to impact so many people who will attend the event and they are just like I say mind blown about the techniques that we teach because they are so simple and they look at each other and they are like, wow, like I can do this because that’s what the point is of it, right? To get people to do it.

Carolyn: Wow. That’s wonderful. Yeah. And you mentioned that you’ve gotten a lot of great feedback from the people that you have been helping even in the past several weeks. I know I have seen a lot of the posts come up on my LinkedIn about students thanking you for the help that you’ve given them through Wonsulting. Are there are any success stories that kinda stick in your mind that are especially meaningful, maybe something recent or something really big or unexpected?

Jonathan: Yeah. So, a success story that was amazing was one of my mentees he reached out to me in February 2019. I remember I was at Google at that time and he was interning at Northrop Grumman which is a great company, it’s an amazing company. And I remember he met up with me and he was like, “Yeah, I think I’m gonna do Northrop Grumman full time and just gonna go into it. And he’s like, “But my dream is to get into Google or get into one of the big tech companies.” And I told him why don’t you do that right now? And he said, “Oh, you know, I go to Cal Poly Pomona, I don’t think it’s possible like they don’t specifically recruit from there.” And I told him like, hey, like if I can do it, you can too. And so what I did with him was I strategized exactly how to get there. He did exactly what I said, utilize those LinkedIn strategies. He reached out to so many different people and he was able to get interviews at Cisco, Google, Facebook, ultimately accepting Google’s offer this past year as a bold intern, one of the first ones to ever come from Cal Poly Pomona, a truly non-target school. The reason why I say this success story is brilliant is because he didn’t believe in himself at first. He was actually homeless before, he lived with his parents in his van, and he didn’t think that he could make it. But that underdog in him turned into a winner by utilizing strategies that were so simple that he got into Google and that’s what I hope that everyone can do, right? Not just get into the Googles of the world, get into the Deloittes, get into the Goldman Sachs, get into the startups, it’s not as difficult as it seems but if you are able to have people who mentor you or guide you down that path of success then that is what makes the difference in your career.

Carolyn: Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah and I was thinking, you know, back to something that you said earlier in the interview is that sometimes people think of what their dream company is, where they really wanna work, but you know, from the outside, sometimes you are really going off the brand and the cool things that you see as a consumer, so I’m curious if you ever work with clients who say, oh my dream job is like a Google or a Facebook but then do you ever talk with people and dig a little bit and may be they change their mind as far as what their dream companies really are, or do mostly people know exactly what they want to target?

Jonathan: Yeah, this is a great question. So a lot of people will say that Google is their dream company and the answer to that question, I ask them why, and they are like, oh, it’s because of the name. Oh, it’s because of the culture. There are so many aspects of why you wanna work at a specific company that you should consider before joining the company. It’s not just because of the brand. It’s not because just of the prestige but maybe it’s because of the individuals that you could potentially be with, maybe it’s that team environment that you wanna get into and I really dig into what they are specifically passionate about before giving them a deliberate answer of what they should get into, because a lot of people for example like what I factor in is not only brand name but the company, the position, the work life balance, the title, all these different factors play a huge effect especially when you are trying to work at a company. That’s very important to identify. You have to identify what your niche is, what you are really truly passionate for. And if you are able to do that then whatever happens after is what will help you get into your career. Like I was just talking to someone about two weeks ago who signed up for our finding your passion service and he didn’t know exactly what he wanted to do in his career. He’s pretty lost but then I asked him I dug basically six layers deeper into his answer of why he wanted to work at X company and I realized it’s not because of the brand name, it’s not because of the compensation, it’s not because of basically the company but it’s because of the work and the passion that he holds. So, he wanted to get into a company that he was truly passionate about the work he did regardless of the title, regardless of the company and if you are able to identify that then everything else flows fluently into your life and it makes you a happier person. That’s what I realized about a lot of these positions. A lot of these positions people jump into and just do it so they can just do it but if you get into a company that you thoroughly enjoy that ultimately affects your mentality and then when you get outside of work, it’s gonna make you happier too as well.

Carolyn: That makes a lot of sense and I would imagine that that also helps your application and your own case when you are applying for jobs at your dream company or interviewing at your dream company. Because companies like Google and Facebook, and even other companies that are cool in the public eye, I don’t know like Nascar or something like that, you know, they have a lot of fans so I imagined they get a ton of applications like, “I’d love to work here because I’m a big fan of yours” and yeah that’s everybody. But you are able to dig down and really say, no, I have a real true reason. It’s about the type of work that you do and this is how I would fit into it. I think that’s especially powerful. And I think that’s a piece a lot of people miss when they are applying for jobs.

Jonathan: When they are job hunting, yeah, definitely, like definitely identify your niche, identify what makes you tick, what makes you happy because that will help you in the long run.

Carolyn: Yeah, absolutely. So you are continuing to work with clients and students and many others through Wonsulting especially at this time that we are in now where, you know, the employment situation is looking pretty dire and uncertain sometimes.

Jonathan: Yeah.

Carolyn: You know, you’ve already shared a lot of great advice on the podcast already today but you know, in light of our current especially challenging employment situation, are there any other types of advice that you would either have people increase doing certain things or do things differently to improve their chances that you would recommend?

Jonathan: Yeah, good question. So, what I would say for my ending advice, don’t apply, get referred. I always stress this. You put 80% of your time to networking, 20% of your time in applying. The reason being is right now companies have hiring freezes but if you are networking right now with people who are in specific companies and industries then you are taking the steps to the next recruiting cycle where you are able to stand out and then that’s when you ask for the referral because what people are doing right now are literally applying, applying, applying. Probably not gonna hear back. But if you get networking right now and then later on you ask for that referral, you have taken the steps to get into your career and you are thinking in the long term rather than the short term. So for those listening in, definitely do that. Secondly, do not panic. I have had a lot of people reach out to me and they are panicking. They are like oh my gosh, I don’t have a job. Oh my gosh I’m getting furloughed. Oh my gosh, I’m doing X, Y, Z, right? Don’t panic. There is a light at the end of the tunnel where we will see soon. What you do now is what’s gonna make that light bigger at the end of the tunnel. So make sure the things that you are doing right now is not panicking but instead networking. So, network, network, network and you will see your dreams turn into life and make those things into realities.

Carolyn: Yeah, that’s great advice and it’s a great reminder at least from my perspective is that finding jobs through networking like this, it’s a long game, it’s not a quick fix like, oh, I need a job next week let me start networking now. It almost never works that way. I don’t know what your opinion is on that.

Jonathan: Yeah, no, 100% like that’s what I’m saying about the panicking because people panic and they are like, hey, Carolyn I need a job now help me. Right?

Carolyn: Right. Mm-hmm.

Jonathan: I might not even know you. That person might not even know you, so you have to play a long term game in this case and you have to make sure you don’t panic, you stay calm and how you stay calm is you have friends and family that will help you do that way.

Carolyn: Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, with Wonsulting what goals do you have long term for it? So you are doing a lot of really great work now, do you have any big aspirations or goals that you’d like to see Wonsulting doing in the next couple of years?

Jonathan: Yeah. So, definitely we wanna build out a bigger team of course. We have mentees which has been amazing. They have been awesome. I used to originally have 20 mentees but now I have 40. The first 20 mentees all got into the big tech companies coming from non-target schools, all of them, 100% of them which has been amazing. So we have another cohort. We are gonna be starting a kind of professional development accelerator from that, where we take cohorts of different individuals who want to get into their careers and do that way because we have seen huge success. That’s one part. The second part is to do our courses which we have been working on. Unfortunately, during these times we have not been able to fly anywhere to record them, but we have been working on them diligently so I’m really excited for that. Third part is speaking engagements. I mean it’s just been a privilege and amazing to speak at so many different places and I wanna keep continue doing that in different countries because I wanna travel. I love traveling. I was traveling so much before this happened but you know, what I say is that things happen for a reason and this reason was not a setback but it was a comeback, right? So yeah I mean that part of it too as well. And then of course working on our one-on-one services. Our one-on-ones with different individuals and if we are able to do that then I feel like that will be amazing to say the least.

Carolyn: Yeah, that sounds wonderful. Wow. How can people get in touch with you if they wanna learn more about the type of work that Wonsulting does or if they wanna work with you?

Jonathan: Yeah, of course. So definitely add me on LinkedIn, Jonathan Javier. Definitely follow us on LinkedIn too as well at Wonsulting. Our website is wonsulting.com and to contact us it’s at hello@wonsulting.com. We have a lot of different services that we can help you with and we are here to help as we said. We are help you turn from underdogs into winners and if we are able to do that, then our job is complete. So, yeah, definitely hit us up on LinkedIn, Instagram, all these different platforms and we hope to see you soon.

Carolyn: Wonderful. So I’ll put those links in the show notes as well so that people can access it easily from there. Jonathan, thank you so much for being on my podcast today. As we close out, is there anything else that you would like our listeners to know or anything that they can help or support you with?

Jonathan: Yeah. What I say is not only be supportive of my content but be supportive of others too as well. If you see something valuable, like and comment on it. If you see someone giving value to others, recognize it. Sometimes professionals just wanna be recognized and be praised and just have a simple thank you. A simple thank you only takes about 2 seconds to say or 2 seconds to write. So being thankful is what’s super important especially during these times.

Carolyn: Absolutely. And it’s a great way to show appreciation for people’s work because, you know, it takes a lot as you know to put yourself out there so it’s always wonderful to get good comments and good support from people. It’s a great thing people can do.

Jonathan: Exactly. Mm-hmm.

Carolyn: Well, thanks again Jonathan. I really appreciate you being on my show today.

Jonathan: Of course. Thank you so much again. I really do appreciate it and looking forward to the future.

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